User requests updating Grey Talon's design, specifically the compound bow and mechanical arm, to better fit the game's Occult Roaring 20s setting, as current elements are anachronistic or lack lore ties.
I know GT isn't really liked right now, but he's my favorite to play, so I want to talk about him and what I want from a visual remodel, because I think a lot about the one that was leaked and how unimpressed I am with it. **Problems With the Current Model** * **Unfitting Design Elements with Setting** \- Kind of a non-issue, obviously, but his current design wasn't made for an Occult Roaring 20's setting. This causes some minor but also confusing choices with his design. For example, the bow that GT uses is at least partially based on a compound bow. Compound bows weren't invented until the 1960s, and even modern recurve bows weren't in widespread use until the 1970s Olympics. There's also the arrow loading animation, which is just...like that. And finally, his mechanical arm, which, while interesting, has no tie to his current lore and can be changed. * **Smaller Stature than Most of the Cast** \- I'm in two minds with this criticism. For one, it makes him very unique in the cast, as there is a lack of short controllable characters; on the other hand, this is probably a high point of frustration gameplay-wise and part of the reason he's probably annoying to deal with, which is why the leaked model is significantly taller. * **Gender Confusion** \- I don't particularly like this criticism because it puts a beauty standard on someone who's not traditionally seen in media, but it's joked about enough to be something that probably can be addressed. Those are some of the major aspects that should be addressed with a redesign if one were to happen. Which, given the leaked model, they are internally looking at. However, there are a few things I'd also want changed from that. **Problems With the Leaked Redesign** * **Too Generic -** I might be alone in this, but the design gives him a generic overall look that made me roll my eyes. He looks like one of Robin Hood's merry men. He looks like a reused asset from Dauntless. I wouldn't be shocked if they just took some of Sniper TF2's outfit and slapped it on a model. I also am not a fan of the heavy leaning into the "hunter" tropes in this setting, as it disconnects him from the setting a lot more * **Horrid Color Choices** \- We just described how hard it was to see him sometimes from his short stature, so instead, you give him the most camouflaged color palette I've ever seen. The only color on him is his skin tone and an orange belt. Surely that won't be annoying in a game with redish-brown buildings everywhere, * **Why is his head shaved?** \- This may seem minor, but hear me out. Grey Talon's place in the narrative and kit seems to cast him as Native American/First Nation. And to say that making a Native American person bald is in poor taste would be an understatement, [as hair is a religious freedom to many tribes](https://wifamilyconnectionscenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/08/tipsheet_importanceoftribalhair_august2025.pdf). Just recently, a [court case](https://nativenewsonline.net/sovereignty/honoring-heritage-in-uniform-native-american-soldier-granted-religious-accommodation-to-grow-hair-embrace-lakota-identity) ruled that even the US military cannot be allowed to cut/shave hair due to religious status. Now, while there are bald natives, of course, I think it's in bad taste for the only (as of now) Native in the game to be without this status being featured. I understand it's a WIP, but it also doesn't mean it's above criticism, and I think going in this direction isn't really one that suits Grey Talon. So I'd like to see some changes in direction if Valve were to go that way. **What I'd like to see from a GT Remodel** * **Be more inspired by his native roots** \- There are two ways that this can go. Either rip the native out of him (not good, whitewashing bad) or double down on them. I want his hair back, obviously, but I want his outfit to be more than what a LARPer thinks a hunter outfit should look like. Get him a decitant robe, or add beads when culturally appropriate. I think Valve has a good chance to do something good with this if they do it right. * **A better bow would be appreciated -** Again, two ways that a bow remodel can look like. Either double down on the compound and make it some kind of early Eldric nightmare of a weapon (take Seven's weird Tesla Gun as an example) or make it a more historically accurate bow that he can make into something more powerful. We see that he's already magically intuned, and the new model seems to imply that he has some kind of perfect sight with his dominant eye. How this can look will be up to Valve of course. * **Better Seeing Color Pallete** \- This will also help with visual issues by allowing him better colors. The current color palette he has is a good base, though I think some brighter reds would be better as well. Let me know what you all think as well, kind of curious to see your takes (also valve please nerf his curse, even I can tell that shit is toxic.)